Monday, October 02, 2006

Post Yom Kippur Comments and Questions

This Motzei Yom Kippur I did not get sick like last year so that gives me an opportunity now do discuss some observations I had and some questions I had.

First off, I want to say that MOChassid wrote a post here which was very similar to my posts here and here . I guess I am not the only one who is not disensitized to peoples rudeness. Besides the posts I just linked, I would like to add another one to the list of things people do that is rude that I experienced this Yom Kippur.

I knew I might be in some trouble when I saw that sitting in front of me were people who talk occasionally in shul and also don't look before taking three steps back. The way my minyan did the seats was they put a chart of the seats, you emailed them the seat you wanted and they posted it on our minyans web page excluding peoples names. Right before Yom Tov they posted the names and all the seats were taken so there was no way for me to change my seat. So the new thing to add for this Yom Tov along with the other things is being whipped in the face with a tallis. Don't you just love it? It is more important for a person to flip there tallis so its not bothering them then to realize that they are whipping someone in the face with their tzistzis. There is nothing the victim can do because it is always by surprise because you never know when the person is going to flip the talis. I know I have seen it written that is a Halacha that you are not allowed to treat the tallis like this and you have to be careful if you are going to flip your talis.

My next issue is Maariv Motzei Yom Kippur. If you ask someone Jewish trivia and say which are the fastest davenings of the year, a person would answer Shacharis/Musaf on Shavuos and Maariv Yom Kippur. I don't understand in general why people rush through davening but on Motzei Yom Kippur? I understand you are hungry after fasting but a few minutes is not going to make a difference after you were fasting for 25 hours already. One would think that if you concentrated on your davening all of Yom Kippur , this Maariv would be one of your longest of the year. In certain shuls people run out after the shofar blowing and don't even daven Maariv. Some people stay for Maariv but don't stay for Kiddush Levanah. The whole reason why Kiddush Levana is held off until Motzei Yom Kippur is because we want to run to do a mitzvah right after Yom Kippur and this one is very easy to accomplish.

Along with the Maariv topic I am interested to see if anyone has any interesting answers for this question I have that I have never gotten an answer to that satisfies me. How come right after Neilah when we daven Maariv we say Salach Lanu in Shemonei Esrei. Did we really do any aveirah from the shofar blowing until Shemonei Esrei? I don't think that is possible since you can't talk or do anything.

I hope everyone had a good break fast and a meaningful Yom Kippur.


questioner said...

as an answer to your question: look at what you've written right before. some of te thoughts you may have had as yom kippur came to a close may need teshuvah already. (i.e.: phew, the fast is over; i can't stand te people that talk in shul; i hate his tie, her outfit; or numerous other examples)

just my thoughts on the topic - i may be wrong...

Greg said...

I'm saying S'lach Lanu because I'm davening so quickly...

kasamba said...

Interesting observation from Questioner!
I feel bad that you came out of Yom Kippur feeling so negatively.

BTW, here in our shul in London the fast was officailly over a 7:26 but davening only finished at 7:47!

FrumWithQuestions said...

Questioner- Thanks for you comment but what you said doen't make sense to me. How is it my aveirah if someone else is talking in shul? The other things you gave as examples I never posted about and I never said phew the fast is over. I am one of the people who usually sticks around to help clean up and I am also still davening because I feel people always go too fast.

Greg- At least you are going to admit you are doing something wrong.

Kasamba- I didn't come out of Yom Kippur feeling bad because I figured I would experience this anyway. Where ever you daven there is always going to be the few that try and ruin it for everyone else. As long as Rebeim are tolerant of these people the problem is never going to go away.

socialworker/frustrated mom said...

Interesting observations sorry you get whipped.

FrumGirl said...

And we arent supposed to be held accountable for our thoughts I distinctly remembe learning that.... So did you get any satisfactory answers to your question?

The Tzionisher Rebbe said...

Kol Yisrael Arevim zeh lazeh. All of Israel is responsible for all of Israel.

And don't we say 'slach pashanu' forgive US.. for WE have sinned, etc. In the plural, so we are requesting forgiveness for all of Israel, and perhaps there is need.

Let's make up for Maariv Motzei Yom Kippur by dancing up a storm for the holy Torah on Simchas Torah.

The Rebbe

FrumWithQuestions said...

FRumgirl- Unfortunatley I did not get answers to my questions that satisfy me.

AlanLaz said...

Sorry you didn't get answers you were looking for, but Tzionisher Rebbe is right on with this. In additon to any THOUGHTS that you may have had, we are asking for forgiveness for everyone, not just for us. That's the reason that, for example, we say the thing in Vidui for masturbation, even if we don't maturbate...there are Jews that do and Kol Yisroel Aravim Zeh b'Zeh.

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